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Wednesday, May 25, 2011

Justice?

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Read this story. Let me know your thoughts.













                                                             
 I am very anxious to read your comments.

26 comments:

  1. Where do you find this amazing stuff?!
    When I read this my honest reaction was to laugh hysterically and immediately assume that the guy with the knife did NOT get all those injuries from falling off the curb.
    I read this to my husband without telling him my thoughts, and he simply said- "Maybe this guy better bring more than just a knife with him the next time he attacks a Marine."
    As for your question of justice, I say sometimes justice takes care of its own. Especially for the greedy and the stupid!
    Thanks for a great laugh, JJ!

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  2. My other half is in the security business. There are many times when he wishes offenders would 'fall off the curb'. He has been injured many times doing his job. One man punched him in the jaw. The attacker is recieving councilling and anger management before he attends court. What did my man get... a trip to the emergency room. Where's the justice in that? I'll show him this article...he'll be very interested.

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  3. One of my husband's fathers (yes, he has a few), was a tough Marine and someone tried to stab in with a knife, the guy ended up with a broken beer bottle coming out of his abdomen.
    I wish that kind of "justice," would happen to people even when the person they're attacking isn't a Marine (or Madea :).

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  4. Karen S. 21 WitsMay 26, 2011 at 2:21 AM

    Hmmm, I think there is more to the story...unless perhaps the curb was on top of a mountain! But I must be honest and admit I don't want to live in a wild west world either...not saying the he didn't have something coming to him...it's the who did it and what was done that really bothers me.

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  5. Moral of the story for me is what goes around comes around. Ok its plain to see the Marines gave the injuries but they were sensible enough in there eyes to just treat him to a lesson and not murder him. But to me no volence is exceptable. dee

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  6. I have to agree w/delia... I do know that people in the armed forces, including police get in that zone when something like that happens.. They may go over the top but its all in the training ( brainwashing) they get.. My brother was a cop and he would get in that zone.. Its the brainwashing JJ, pure and simple.

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  7. Well, so far the comments reflect a wide range of views. There is a legal concept in criminal law about taking your victim as you find him. For example, let's say you rob someone who has a heart condition and has a heart attack and dies during the robbery because of the stress. You might say you had no idea about this possibility, but too bad--you are responsible for the outcome. Perhaps the same holds true when your victim is a group of Marines--you are responsible for the outcome!

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  8. I absolutely love the people I blog with regularly.

    'Yellow Rose' Jasmine: You're welcome.

    KB: Counselling my ...!

    Miriam: Cowards always prey upon the weak. Of course, if the coward is a moron, sometimes he preys on Marines.

    Karen: I agree. The Wild West is out. Hmmm is a great response.

    Dee: I understand completely. I am a proponent of nonviolence. On the other hand, when KB's other half was attacked, justice should have been swift, not nonexistent. There must be consequences. What they are is for a civilized society to determine.

    KBF: Understood. However, on my planet, the attacker would get more than color TV. No tolerance for violence works both ways.

    Galen: Perhaps. As you know, the laws regarding felony-murder and self-defense are quite complex.

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  9. JJ- I'm not sure there is enough information in this article to make a reasonable comment. If the perpetrator was so out of control that he was stabbing with a knife, then restraining him would take some effort. Did the restraints call for the injuries he recieved? It's hard to say with this limited information. I guess he's lucky he didn't get shot.

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  10. 'No tolerance for violence works both ways.'

    I totally agree w/you on that..

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  11. This is not the first time I read this article since we get the Augusta newspaper at home and my mom actually read me this one. I remember thinking at the time that it was instant karma in action. If the guy hadn't pulled a knife and then used it, he wouldn't have sustained injury. There is that line, "He who lives by the sword dies by the sword." I suppose what I am saying is that if you plant a knife in another person (particularly one Marine when he is surrounded by three others) you should expect to get your butt handed to you. At the time, I am not sure that they knew the status of their fellow Marine (that knife could have hit an organ), so the fact that he came out with fairly minor injuries seems fair considering that he tossed the gauntlet... and that he was in the process of committing a crime. My final thought is that this guy must have been out of his mind and out of control because he attacked an employee in the store and, as I already said, stabbed a Marine when he could clearly see he was outnumbered. So, restraining him might not have been as easy one might think. He may have been strong and very likely wasn't going to stop until he was all the way down. It makes me think of our dogs when they fight. They had one really bad battle with a lot of blood and there was no getting them apart until one took the other one down. Huge vet bill, btw. They both went into red rage. Not pretty. Anyway, makes it hard to judge the situation. One could say that they beat up the guy b/c of their friend. The flip side is that the guy could have been so out of control that it really took all of that in order to get him under control. They thought he was down, and then he'd come up swinging. It happens. Then they would have to go another round with him. People don't even feel that pain until later. That was a lot of words to say you probably had to be there.

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  12. Call me old-fashioned JJ, but I tend to associate the word 'Justice' with a court-house and Judge. So I find this article rather disturbing.

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  13. Akseli: I would not call you old fashioned. On paper, it is still that way in the States - on paper. I am not judgmental, but I was very anxious to read what the group of bloggers had to offer. We could probably discuss this for months. I wish our leaders could. Maybe, we would find a solution to the violence problem that is increasing from year to year.

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  14. Reading it for the first time, I laughed out loud at the author's seemingly serious account of the fall! My next thought is "well stupid thief", rob a store with several marines outside the front door! So he may be a bit touched and he got touched back. I am sorry I cannot focus on the right or wrong of it, it just made me laugh, thank you for that!

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  15. Moody: Thank you. The post was not designed to prompt a very deep discussion, but it is worth pondering. Thanks for stopping by.

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  16. Don't need no discussion JJ.
    You step over the line then ya have ta be accountable. Trouble is the majority are ruled by the minority and that means the offenders have more rights than victims.
    Just recently a business man caught and held two burglars who had been constantly breaking in and stealing his equipment.
    He is being charged with kidnapping!

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  17. Whitesnake: Someday over a cold one...

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  18. Curbs are so dangerous! You never can tell with curbs. He's lucky that he got away with only light injuries. He was even luckier that the Marines were there to help him up when he fell.

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  19. Judie: I have really enjoyed reading the views of my online friends. I imagine they would be my friends even in a non-virtual world.

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  20. Hahah! If you want to hang around with a crazy woman who is not afraid to try any art-form once, and speaks her mind, then we would be fast friends!!!

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  21. This story rings loud of an eye for an eye & violence begetting violence.
    There is so much "wrong" in this story that it makes me cringe.

    But my question is .. Do two wrongs really make it right??
    (Is this really the kind of world that we want to live in)

    I work in the disability sector & sometimes work with people whom have aggressive & threatening behaviours. We are trained in Non- Violent Crisis Intervention. The thing that concerns me about this is that no one needed to come out of this injured. The man was caught on surveilance camera & could have been identified by police later.. the lap top should have been the only collateral damage in this situation. Instead there is a stabbing & a man with injuries consistent to being run over by a bus.
    I don't want to sound like I am advocating for the criminal because I'm not .. he needs to be held accountable & serve time for his actions but is this really the answer & should it really be applauded.

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  22. Kath: Two wrongs do not make a right.

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  23. I personally loved this.
    I do think if someone stabs another person, that other person has the right to defend themselves. As someone who has listened to countless stories of how people in public service, military, police, security, regularly suffer bodily injury because they cannot shoot unless shot at; they cannot do anything that might count as assault even when the person they are dealing with is violent, I totally think this is okay. Yes Katherine. I read your comment, but just because someone has a disability does not mean that their behavior does not have consequences. In my honest opinion there are too many people who are "protected" by disability acts and not enough "other people" protected from those whose disability may cause them to have violent or threatening behaviors. My kids go to school with kids who assault teachers, not to mention other students. Who is protecting my kids? It is out of control.

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  24. CailinMarie: Katherine preaches non-violence, as I do. It is very difficult to walk the line between self-defense and unjust retaliation. I find it interesting that an open-ended story like this generates so many diverse opinions. When the smoke clears, we are all sick and tired of being victims. I hope, however, we maintain our ability to take each case individually. BTW, I have no tolerance for violence, and as a teacher, my number one priority every day, even before education, is the safety of my students.

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